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This should probably be reorganized by shop order, with prices, in-game descriptions, and links to the index categories we've created for each material. Pictures would be nice too.[[Special:Contributions/204.11.142.106|204.11.142.106]] 07:03, 2 May 2016 (PDT)
This should probably be reorganized by shop order, with prices, in-game descriptions, and links to the index categories we've created for each material. Pictures would be nice too.[[Special:Contributions/204.11.142.106|204.11.142.106]] 07:03, 2 May 2016 (PDT)
:Not sure if these should be tabbed by Keyblade, which would give more room for the item descriptions. The only issue is that there is such strong overlap for stuff like Curative Leaf or Gold Ore.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 14:11, 5 May 2016 (PDT)
::Can't we just link the names and remove the Found column? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 14:18, 5 May 2016 (PDT)
:::Sure, but would it be obvious to the readers that that's what we did? Do you have any friends unfamiliar with wikis who you could show such a design to, asking them to figure out where to get info on where to find the materials?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 14:21, 5 May 2016 (PDT)
::::I'm also interested in replacing the "Keyblade" list with a color-coordinated fill in box, seven columns in total. Similar to Zelda Wiki's Item Cards page, but with colors matched to the Keyblades.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 14:23, 5 May 2016 (PDT)


{|cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0 align="center"
 
|valign="top"|[[File:Moogle KHX.png|40px]]||
== Kupo ==
{|border=1 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=0 class="sortable" style="text-align:left; font-size:10px" align="center"
 
!bgcolor=#c0c0c0 align="center" style="font-size:12px" width="150"|Material
Kupo materials drop like Mythril materials. Should we list them in that section?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 19:57, 19 September 2016 (PDT)
!bgcolor=#c0c0c0 align="center" style="font-size:12px" width="90"|Description
 
!bgcolor=#c0c0c0 align="center" style="font-size:12px" width="30"|Price
== keyblade layouts ==
!bgcolor=#c0c0c0 align="center" style="font-size:12px" width="50"|Keyblade(s)
 
!bgcolor=#c0c0c0 align="center" style="font-size:12px" width="50"|Found
I tried to tidy it up a bit, but I feel a big problem is that organizing it in the table like this is ''very'' hard to read.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 11:06, 3 April 2017 (PDT)
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: I think we should figure out a way to make it look organized. I added it because I personally got sick of always clicking through every single keyblade for setups and I think having the corresponding slots on this site might help get an better glance over all keyblades at once without being too detailed. However, I think having the previous upper row be the type and the lower row Upright/reversed is easier to read than just having all of them in a straight line like they are now. Maybe adding some more padding between rows help to make it easier to read while reverting to the previous style. --[[User:Roberty|Roberty]] ([[User talk:Roberty|talk]]) 12:59, 3 April 2017 (PDT)
| [[File:Mythril Shard KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''{{kh|Mythril Shard}}'''|ミスリルのかけら|Misuriru no Kakera}} || — || — || All || ''[[:Category:Mythril Shard|See Missions]]''<!--full explanation?-->
::I've gotta disagree strongly on that. Having them in separate rows, I can't even barely match PSM to UR nodes, much less to the Keyblade in question. My eyes just glaze out, and I've been doing tables for wikis for most of my editing career. Putting them side by side, I can at least pair them visually, while also being able to compare PSM nodes from Keyblade to Keyblade.
|-
::Maybe thicker borders or spacing would help more clearly visually isolate these.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 09:56, 5 April 2017 (PDT)
| [[File:Mythril Stone KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''{{kh|Mythril Stone}}'''|ミスリルのしずく|Misuriru no Shizuku}} || A stone made from mythril ore. || 50 || All || ''[[:Category:Mythril Stone|See Missions]]''<!--full explanation?-->
::: Yes, I think that's what might be the best compromise. Thick lines between keyblades, and thinner lines in the row itself. Maybe instead of showing the Upright/Reversed symbol, we simply color in the background of the box? --[[User:Roberty|Roberty]] ([[User talk:Roberty|talk]]) 21:11, 8 April 2017 (PDT)
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::::Also, in defense of my appraoch of having them above each other, every keyblade site has the same layout and it looks perfectly fine there and is much easier to read at a glance. --[[User:Roberty|Roberty]] ([[User talk:Roberty|talk]]) 14:01, 9 April 2017 (PDT)
| [[File:Mythril Gem KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''{{kh|Mythril Gem}}'''|ミスリルの魔石|Misuriru no Maseki}} || A gem cut from mythril ore. || 100 || All || ''[[:Category:Mythril Gem|See Missions]]''<!--full explanation?-->
:::::You don't need to defend your approach. You're not "in trouble" or anything. I'm just pointing out that at least (1) person, and probably more, can't get any usable visual information out of it.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 08:56, 10 April 2017 (PDT)
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::::::Haha, that was a bad choice of word of mine, I'm sorry. But you get what I mean. Anyways, perhaps some more input from outside sources can help. We can leave it like this for now. :) [[User:Roberty|Roberty]] ([[User talk:Roberty|talk]]) 12:10, 13 April 2017 (PDT)
| [[File:Mythril Crystal KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''{{kh|Mythril Crystal}}'''|ミスリルの結晶|Misuriru no Kesshō}} || A mysterious crystal made from mythril ore. || 150 || All || ''[[:Category:Mythril Crystal|See Missions]]''<!--full explanation?-->
 
|-
== Friend medal multipliers ==
| [[File:Orichalcum KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''{{kh|Orichalcum}}'''|オリハルコン|Oriharukon}} || — || — || All || ''[[:Category:Orichalcum|See Missions]]''<!--full explanation?-->
https://www.reddit.com/r/KingdomHearts/comments/7nwub2/khux_divine_rose_stats_update/ds6r5qp/
|-
<!--
| [[File:Curative Leaf KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Curative Leaf'''||}} || A leaf from an herbal plant that grows in the forest. || 10 || || ''[[:Category:Curative Leaf|See Missions]]''
 
|-
check the formula against these if you wish, but this should be all obsolete
| [[File:Curative Flower KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Curative Flower'''||}} || A flower from an herbal plant that grows in the forest. || 10 || || ''[[:Category:Curative Flower|See Missions]]''
 
|-
=== Starlight ===
| [[File:Copper Ore KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Copper Ore'''||}} || Ore from a copper deposit. || 10 || || ''[[:Category:Copper Ore|See Missions]]''
* +25 1.726
|-
* +31 1.882
| [[File:Iron Ore KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Iron Ore'''||}} || Ore from an iron deposit. || 10 || || ''[[:Category:Iron Ore|See Missions]]''
* +34 1.936
|-
* +35 1.96
| [[File:Teardrops KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Teardrops'''||}} || A bottle of teardrops. || 10 || || ''[[:Category:Teardrops|See Missions]]''
 
|-
=== TT/LL/3W ===
| [[File:Topaz Earring KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Topaz Earring'''||}} || Jewelry sold at the market. || 10 || || ''[[:Category:Topaz Earring|See Missions]]''
* +11 1.126
|-
* +16 1.128
| [[File:Agate Ring KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Agate Ring'''||}} || Jewelry sold at the market. || 10 || || ''[[:Category:Agate Ring|See Missions]]''
* +20 1.240
|-
* +25 1.642
| [[File:Scarab Brooch KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Scarab Brooch'''||}} || Jewelry sold at the market. || 10 || || ''[[:Category:Scarab Brooch|See Missions]]''
 
|}
=== Oly/DR/MoG ===
|}
* +0  1.006
* +23 1.576
* +25 1.648
* +26 1.678
* +27 1.696
* +30 1.756
 
=== Lion/Counter/Fenrir ===
* +1 1.132
* +2 1.18
* +3 1.228
* +4 1.24
* +5 1.3
* +6 1.336
* +7 1.348
* +8 1.36
* +9 1.384
* +10 1.396
* +11 1.408
* +12 1.444
* +13 1.456
* +14 1.48
* +15 1.504
* +16 1.528
* +17 1.552
* +18 1.564
* +19 1.588
* +20 1.612
* +28 1.744
* +31 1.780
 
=== Stroke of Midnight ===
* +23 1.660
* +29 1.804
* +35 1.960
 
=== [[Fairy Stars]] ===
* +0  1.180
* +1  1.204
* +2  1.228
* +3  1.252
* +4  1.288
* +5  1.384
* +6  1.408
* +7  1.432
* +8  1.456
* +9  1.480
* +10 1.504
* +11  1.528
* +12  1.552
* +13  1.576
* +14  1.600
* +15  1.612
* +16  1.636
* +17  1.672
* +18  1.696
* +19  1.720
* +20  1.744
* +21  1.768
* +22  1.804
* +23  1.828
* +24  1.852
* +25  1.888
* +32  1.972
* +33  1.984
* +34  1.996
* +35  2.020
 
=== Ache/Gnaw/Dust ===
* +0 1.276
* +1 1.288
* +2 1.30
* +3 1.42
* +4 1.432
* +5 1.468
* +6 1.492
* +7 1.516
* +8 1.54
* +9 1.564
* +10 1.588
* +11 1.612
* +12 1.648
* +13 1.672
* +14 1.696
* +15 1.708
* +16 1.732
* +17 1.744
* +18 1.756
* +19 1.768
* +20 1.792
* +21 1.816
* +22 1.84
* +23 1.852
* +24 1.864
* +25 1.888
* +26 1.936
* +28 1.960
-->
 
== Material drops spreadsheet ==
 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11BEklwQ-RUsHQ9HGPwDWnP2vilMn3WpEGwTWArCmPb0/edit?usp=sharing

Latest revision as of 11:57, 18 September 2018

This should probably be reorganized by shop order, with prices, in-game descriptions, and links to the index categories we've created for each material. Pictures would be nice too.204.11.142.106 07:03, 2 May 2016 (PDT)

Not sure if these should be tabbed by Keyblade, which would give more room for the item descriptions. The only issue is that there is such strong overlap for stuff like Curative Leaf or Gold Ore.KrytenKoro (talk) 14:11, 5 May 2016 (PDT)
Can't we just link the names and remove the Found column? TheSilentHero 14:18, 5 May 2016 (PDT)
Sure, but would it be obvious to the readers that that's what we did? Do you have any friends unfamiliar with wikis who you could show such a design to, asking them to figure out where to get info on where to find the materials?KrytenKoro (talk) 14:21, 5 May 2016 (PDT)
I'm also interested in replacing the "Keyblade" list with a color-coordinated fill in box, seven columns in total. Similar to Zelda Wiki's Item Cards page, but with colors matched to the Keyblades.KrytenKoro (talk) 14:23, 5 May 2016 (PDT)


Kupo[edit]

Kupo materials drop like Mythril materials. Should we list them in that section?KrytenKoro (talk) 19:57, 19 September 2016 (PDT)

keyblade layouts[edit]

I tried to tidy it up a bit, but I feel a big problem is that organizing it in the table like this is very hard to read.KrytenKoro (talk) 11:06, 3 April 2017 (PDT)

I think we should figure out a way to make it look organized. I added it because I personally got sick of always clicking through every single keyblade for setups and I think having the corresponding slots on this site might help get an better glance over all keyblades at once without being too detailed. However, I think having the previous upper row be the type and the lower row Upright/reversed is easier to read than just having all of them in a straight line like they are now. Maybe adding some more padding between rows help to make it easier to read while reverting to the previous style. --Roberty (talk) 12:59, 3 April 2017 (PDT)
I've gotta disagree strongly on that. Having them in separate rows, I can't even barely match PSM to UR nodes, much less to the Keyblade in question. My eyes just glaze out, and I've been doing tables for wikis for most of my editing career. Putting them side by side, I can at least pair them visually, while also being able to compare PSM nodes from Keyblade to Keyblade.
Maybe thicker borders or spacing would help more clearly visually isolate these.KrytenKoro (talk) 09:56, 5 April 2017 (PDT)
Yes, I think that's what might be the best compromise. Thick lines between keyblades, and thinner lines in the row itself. Maybe instead of showing the Upright/Reversed symbol, we simply color in the background of the box? --Roberty (talk) 21:11, 8 April 2017 (PDT)
Also, in defense of my appraoch of having them above each other, every keyblade site has the same layout and it looks perfectly fine there and is much easier to read at a glance. --Roberty (talk) 14:01, 9 April 2017 (PDT)
You don't need to defend your approach. You're not "in trouble" or anything. I'm just pointing out that at least (1) person, and probably more, can't get any usable visual information out of it.KrytenKoro (talk) 08:56, 10 April 2017 (PDT)
Haha, that was a bad choice of word of mine, I'm sorry. But you get what I mean. Anyways, perhaps some more input from outside sources can help. We can leave it like this for now. :) Roberty (talk) 12:10, 13 April 2017 (PDT)

Friend medal multipliers[edit]

https://www.reddit.com/r/KingdomHearts/comments/7nwub2/khux_divine_rose_stats_update/ds6r5qp/

Material drops spreadsheet[edit]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11BEklwQ-RUsHQ9HGPwDWnP2vilMn3WpEGwTWArCmPb0/edit?usp=sharing