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This should probably be reorganized by shop order, with prices, in-game descriptions, and links to the index categories we've created for each material. Pictures would be nice too.[[Special:Contributions/204.11.142.106|204.11.142.106]] 07:03, 2 May 2016 (PDT)
This should probably be reorganized by shop order, with prices, in-game descriptions, and links to the index categories we've created for each material. Pictures would be nice too.[[Special:Contributions/204.11.142.106|204.11.142.106]] 07:03, 2 May 2016 (PDT)
:Not sure if these should be tabbed by Keyblade, which would give more room for the item descriptions. The only issue is that there is such strong overlap for stuff like Curative Leaf or Gold Ore.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 14:11, 5 May 2016 (PDT)
:Not sure if these should be tabbed by Keyblade, which would give more room for the item descriptions. The only issue is that there is such strong overlap for stuff like Curative Leaf or Gold Ore.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 14:11, 5 May 2016 (PDT)
::Can't we just link the names and remove the Found column? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 14:18, 5 May 2016 (PDT)
:::Sure, but would it be obvious to the readers that that's what we did? Do you have any friends unfamiliar with wikis who you could show such a design to, asking them to figure out where to get info on where to find the materials?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 14:21, 5 May 2016 (PDT)
::::I'm also interested in replacing the "Keyblade" list with a color-coordinated fill in box, seven columns in total. Similar to Zelda Wiki's Item Cards page, but with colors matched to the Keyblades.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 14:23, 5 May 2016 (PDT)


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|valign="top"|[[File:Moogle KHX.png|40px]]||
== Kupo ==
{|border=1 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=0 class="sortable" style="text-align:left; font-size:10px" align="center"
 
!bgcolor=#c0c0c0 align="center" style="font-size:12px" width="150"|Material
Kupo materials drop like Mythril materials. Should we list them in that section?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 19:57, 19 September 2016 (PDT)
!bgcolor=#c0c0c0 align="center" style="font-size:12px" width="215"|Description
 
!bgcolor=#c0c0c0 align="center" style="font-size:12px" width="25"|Price
== keyblade layouts ==
!bgcolor=#c0c0c0 align="center" style="font-size:12px" width="65"|Keyblade(s)
 
!bgcolor=#c0c0c0 align="center" style="font-size:12px" width="45"|Found
I tried to tidy it up a bit, but I feel a big problem is that organizing it in the table like this is ''very'' hard to read.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 11:06, 3 April 2017 (PDT)
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: I think we should figure out a way to make it look organized. I added it because I personally got sick of always clicking through every single keyblade for setups and I think having the corresponding slots on this site might help get an better glance over all keyblades at once without being too detailed. However, I think having the previous upper row be the type and the lower row Upright/reversed is easier to read than just having all of them in a straight line like they are now. Maybe adding some more padding between rows help to make it easier to read while reverting to the previous style. --[[User:Roberty|Roberty]] ([[User talk:Roberty|talk]]) 12:59, 3 April 2017 (PDT)
| [[File:Mythril Shard KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''{{kh|Mythril Shard}}'''|ミスリルのかけら|Misuriru no Kakera}} || — || — || All || ''[[:Category:Mythril Shard|See Missions]]''<!--full explanation?-->
::I've gotta disagree strongly on that. Having them in separate rows, I can't even barely match PSM to UR nodes, much less to the Keyblade in question. My eyes just glaze out, and I've been doing tables for wikis for most of my editing career. Putting them side by side, I can at least pair them visually, while also being able to compare PSM nodes from Keyblade to Keyblade.
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::Maybe thicker borders or spacing would help more clearly visually isolate these.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 09:56, 5 April 2017 (PDT)
| [[File:Mythril Stone KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''{{kh|Mythril Stone}}'''|ミスリルのしずく|Misuriru no Shizuku}} || A stone made from mythril ore. || 50 || All || ''[[:Category:Mythril Stone|See Missions]]''<!--full explanation?-->
::: Yes, I think that's what might be the best compromise. Thick lines between keyblades, and thinner lines in the row itself. Maybe instead of showing the Upright/Reversed symbol, we simply color in the background of the box? --[[User:Roberty|Roberty]] ([[User talk:Roberty|talk]]) 21:11, 8 April 2017 (PDT)
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::::Also, in defense of my appraoch of having them above each other, every keyblade site has the same layout and it looks perfectly fine there and is much easier to read at a glance. --[[User:Roberty|Roberty]] ([[User talk:Roberty|talk]]) 14:01, 9 April 2017 (PDT)
| [[File:Mythril Gem KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''{{kh|Mythril Gem}}'''|ミスリルの魔石|Misuriru no Maseki}} || A gem cut from mythril ore. || 100 || All || ''[[:Category:Mythril Gem|See Missions]]''<!--full explanation?-->
:::::You don't need to defend your approach. You're not "in trouble" or anything. I'm just pointing out that at least (1) person, and probably more, can't get any usable visual information out of it.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 08:56, 10 April 2017 (PDT)
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::::::Haha, that was a bad choice of word of mine, I'm sorry. But you get what I mean. Anyways, perhaps some more input from outside sources can help. We can leave it like this for now. :) [[User:Roberty|Roberty]] ([[User talk:Roberty|talk]]) 12:10, 13 April 2017 (PDT)
| [[File:Mythril Crystal KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''{{kh|Mythril Crystal}}'''|ミスリルの結晶|Misuriru no Kesshō}} || A mysterious crystal made from mythril ore. || 150 || All || ''[[:Category:Mythril Crystal|See Missions]]''<!--full explanation?-->
 
|-
== Friend medal multipliers ==
| [[File:Orichalcum KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''{{kh|Orichalcum}}'''|オリハルコン|Oriharukon}} || — || — || All || ''[[:Category:Orichalcum|See Missions]]''<!--full explanation?-->
https://www.reddit.com/r/KingdomHearts/comments/7nwub2/khux_divine_rose_stats_update/ds6r5qp/
|-
<!--
| [[File:Adamant KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''{{kh|Adamant}}'''||}} || — || — || All || ''[[:Category:Adamant|See Missions]]''<!--full explanation?--><!--placement-->
 
|-
check the formula against these if you wish, but this should be all obsolete
| [[File:Curative Leaf KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Curative Leaf'''|薬草の葉っぱ|Yakusou no Happa}} || A leaf from an herbal plant that grows in the forest. || 10 || [[Starlight]]<br>[[Treasure Trove]]<br>[[Olympia]] || ''[[:Category:Curative Leaf|See Missions]]''
 
|-
=== Starlight ===
| [[File:Curative Flower KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Curative Flower'''|薬草の花|Yakusou no Hana}} || A flower from an herbal plant that grows in the forest. || 10 || [[Starlight]]<br>[[Treasure Trove]] || ''[[:Category:Curative Flower|See Missions]]''
* +25 1.726
|-
* +31 1.882
| [[File:Copper Ore KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Copper Ore'''|銅の原石|Akagane no Genseki}} || Ore from a copper deposit. || 10 || [[Starlight]]<br>[[Treasure Trove]]<br>[[Lady Luck]]<br>[[Olympia]] || ''[[:Category:Copper Ore|See Missions]]''
* +34 1.936
|-
* +35 1.96
| [[File:Iron Ore KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Iron Ore'''|鉄の原石|Kurogane no Genseki}} || Ore from an iron deposit. || 10 || [[Starlight]]<br>[[Treasure Trove]]<br>[[Lady Luck]]<br>[[Three Wishes]]<br>[[Olympia]] || ''[[:Category:Iron Ore|See Missions]]''
 
|-
=== TT/LL/3W ===
| [[File:Spring Water KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Spring Water'''|きよらかな水|Kiyorakana Mizu|lit. "Pure Water"}} || A vial of natural spring water. || 10 || [[Starlight]]<br>[[Treasure Trove]] || ''[[:Category:Spring Water|See Missions]]''
* +11 1.126
|-
* +16 1.128
| [[File:Forest Mushrooms KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Forest Mushrooms'''|森のきのこ|Mori no Kinoko}} || Mushrooms that grow in the forest. || 10 || [[Starlight]]<br>[[Treasure Trove]] || ''[[:Category:Forest Mushrooms|See Missions]]''
* +20 1.240
|-
* +25 1.642
| [[File:Curative Bulb KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Curative Bulb'''|薬草の球根|Yakusou no Kyūkon}} || A bulb from an herbal plant that grows in the forest. || 10 || [[Starlight]]<br>[[Treasure Trove]]<br>[[Olympia]] || ''[[:Category:Curative Bulb|See Missions]]''
 
|-
=== Oly/DR/MoG ===
| [[File:Silver Ore KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Silver Ore'''|銀の原石|Shirogane no Genseki}} || Ore from a silver deposit. || 10 || [[Starlight]]<br>[[Treasure Trove]]<br>[[Lady Luck]]<br>[[Three Wishes]] || ''[[:Category:Silver Ore|See Missions]]''
* +0  1.006
|-
* +23 1.576
| [[File:Gold Ore KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Gold Ore'''|金の原石|Kane no Genseki}} || Ore from a gold deposit. || 10 || [[Starlight]]<br>[[Treasure Trove]]<br>[[Lady Luck]]<br>[[Three Wishes]]<br>[[Olympia]]<br>[[Divine Rose]] || ''[[:Category:Gold Ore|See Missions]]''
* +25 1.648
|-
* +26 1.678
| [[File:Swamp Water KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Swamp Water'''|沼地のわき水|Numachi no Waki Mizu}} || A vial of water collected from the swamps. || 10 || [[Treasure Trove]]<br>[[Olympia]] || ''[[:Category:Swamp Water|See Missions]]''
* +27 1.696
|-
* +30 1.756
| [[File:Scorching Sand KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Scorching Sand'''|熱をおびた砂|Netsu o Obita Suna}} || A bag of piping hot sand. || 10 || [[Three Wishes]]<br>[[Olympia]] || ''[[:Category:Scorching Sand|See Missions]]''
 
|-
=== Lion/Counter/Fenrir ===
| [[File:Burnt Coal KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Burnt Coal'''|燃えつきた炭|Meotsukita Sumi}} || A pile of charred coal briquettes. || 10 || [[Three Wishes]] || ''[[:Category:Burnt Coal|See Missions]]''
* +1 1.132
|-
* +2 1.18
| [[File:Starry Sand KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Starry Sand'''|星のかたちの砂|Hoshi no Katachi no Suna}} || A bag of rare star-shaped sand. || 10 || [[Three Wishes]] || ''[[:Category:Starry Sand|See Missions]]''
* +3 1.228
|-
* +4 1.24
| [[File:Ember KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Ember'''|残り火|Nokoribi}} || A piece of glowing, hot coal. || 10 || [[Treasure Trove]]<br>[[Three Wishes]]<br>[[Olympia]] || ''[[:Category:Ember|See Missions]]''
* +5 1.3
|-
* +6 1.336
| [[File:Strange Leaf KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Strange Leaf'''|おかしな葉っぱ|Okashina Happa}} || A leaf from a wild plant that grows in the forest. || 10 || [[Lady Luck]]<br>[[Olympia]] || ''[[:Category:Strange Leaf|See Missions]]''
* +7 1.348
|-
* +8 1.36
| [[File:White Flower Dew KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''White Flower Dew'''|白い花のつゆ|Shiroi Hana no Tsuyu}} || A phial of morning dew gathered from the petals of a white flower. || 10 || [[Lady Luck]] || ''[[:Category:White Flower Dew|See Missions]]''
* +9 1.384
|-
* +10 1.396
| [[File:Strange Bulb KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Strange Bulb'''|おかしな球根|Okashina Kyūkon}} || A bulb from a wild plant that grows in the forest. || 10 || [[Lady Luck]] || ''[[:Category:Strange Bulb|See Missions]]''
* +11 1.408
|-
* +12 1.444
| [[File:White Flower Nectar KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''White Flower Nectar'''|白い花のみつ|Shiroi Hana no Mitsu}} || A phial of sweet nectar from a white flower. || 10 || [[Lady Luck]] || ''[[:Category:White Flower Nectar|See Missions]]''
* +13 1.456
|-
* +14 1.48
| [[File:Broken Biscuit KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Broken Biscuit'''|お菓子のかけら|Okashi no Kakera|lit. "Candy Pieces"}} || Pieces of a peculiar-tasting biscuit. || 10 || [[Starlight]]<br>[[Lady Luck]]<br>[[Olympia]] || ''[[:Category:Broken Biscuit|See Missions]]''
* +15 1.504
|-
* +16 1.528
| [[File:Teardrops KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Teardrops'''|涙のしずく|Namida no Shizuku}} || A bottle of teardrops. || 10 || [[Starlight]]<br>[[Lady Luck]]<br>[[Olympia]] || ''[[:Category:Teardrops|See Missions]]''
* +17 1.552
|-
* +18 1.564
| [[File:Topaz Earring KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Topaz Earring'''|トパーズのピアス|Topāzu no Piasu}} || Jewelry sold at the market. || 10 || [[Three Wishes]] || ''[[:Category:Topaz Earring|See Missions]]''
* +19 1.588
|-
* +20 1.612
| [[File:Agate Ring KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Agate Ring'''|めのうのリング|Menou no Ringu}} || Jewelry sold at the market. || 10 || [[Three Wishes]]<br>[[Olympia]] || ''[[:Category:Agate Ring|See Missions]]''
* +28 1.744
|-
* +31 1.780
| [[File:Scarab Brooch KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Scarab Brooch'''|スカラベのブローチ|Sukarabe no Burōchi}} || Jewelry sold at the market. || 10 || [[Three Wishes]] || ''[[:Category:Scarab Brooch|See Missions]]''
 
|-
=== Stroke of Midnight ===
| [[File:Underworld Flame KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Underworld Flame'''|冥界の炎|Meikai no Honō}} || || || [[Olympia]] || ''[[:Category:Underworld Flame|See Missions]]''
* +23 1.660
|-
* +29 1.804
| [[File:Underworld Stone KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Underworld Stone'''|冥界の石|Meikai no Ishi}} || || || [[Olympia]] || ''[[:Category:Underworld Stone|See Missions]]''
* +35 1.960
|-
 
| [[File:Underworld Water KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Underworld Water'''|冥界の水|Meikai no Mizu}} || || || [[Olympia]] || ''[[:Category:Underworld Water|See Missions]]''
=== [[Fairy Stars]] ===
|-
* +0  1.180
| [[File:Big Pearl KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Big Pearl'''||}} || || || [[Divine Rose]] || ''[[:Category:Big Pearl|See Missions]]''
* +1  1.204
|-
* +2  1.228
| [[File:Ice Crystal KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Ice Crystal'''||}} || || || [[Divine Rose]] || ''[[:Category:Ice Crystal|See Missions]]''
* +3  1.252
|-
* +4  1.288
| [[File:Melted Candle KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Melted Candle'''||}} || || || [[Divine Rose]] || ''[[:Category:Melted Candle|See Missions]]''
* +5  1.384
|-
* +6  1.408
| [[File:Kupo Drops KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Kupo Drops'''||}} || || || [[Moogle of Glory]] || ''[[:Category:Kupo Drops|See Missions]]''
* +7  1.432
|-
* +8  1.456
| [[File:Kupo Flower KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Kupo Flower'''||}} || || || [[Moogle of Glory]] || ''[[:Category:Kupo Flower|See Missions]]''
* +9  1.480
|-
* +10 1.504
| [[File:Kupo Leaf KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Kupo Leaf'''||}} || || || [[Moogle of Glory]] || ''[[:Category:Kupo Leaf|See Missions]]''
* +11  1.528
|-
* +12  1.552
| [[File:Kupo Seed KHX.png|x20px]] {{nihongo|'''Kupo Seed'''||}} || || || [[Moogle of Glory]] || ''[[:Category:Kupo Seed|See Missions]]''
* +13  1.576
|}
* +14  1.600
|}
* +15  1.612
* +16  1.636
* +17  1.672
* +18  1.696
* +19  1.720
* +20  1.744
* +21  1.768
* +22  1.804
* +23  1.828
* +24  1.852
* +25  1.888
* +32  1.972
* +33  1.984
* +34  1.996
* +35  2.020
 
=== Ache/Gnaw/Dust ===
* +0 1.276
* +1 1.288
* +2 1.30
* +3 1.42
* +4 1.432
* +5 1.468
* +6 1.492
* +7 1.516
* +8 1.54
* +9 1.564
* +10 1.588
* +11 1.612
* +12 1.648
* +13 1.672
* +14 1.696
* +15 1.708
* +16 1.732
* +17 1.744
* +18 1.756
* +19 1.768
* +20 1.792
* +21 1.816
* +22 1.84
* +23 1.852
* +24 1.864
* +25 1.888
* +26 1.936
* +28 1.960
-->
 
== Material drops spreadsheet ==
 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11BEklwQ-RUsHQ9HGPwDWnP2vilMn3WpEGwTWArCmPb0/edit?usp=sharing

Latest revision as of 12:57, 18 September 2018

This should probably be reorganized by shop order, with prices, in-game descriptions, and links to the index categories we've created for each material. Pictures would be nice too.204.11.142.106 07:03, 2 May 2016 (PDT)

Not sure if these should be tabbed by Keyblade, which would give more room for the item descriptions. The only issue is that there is such strong overlap for stuff like Curative Leaf or Gold Ore.KrytenKoro (talk) 14:11, 5 May 2016 (PDT)
Can't we just link the names and remove the Found column? TheSilentHero 14:18, 5 May 2016 (PDT)
Sure, but would it be obvious to the readers that that's what we did? Do you have any friends unfamiliar with wikis who you could show such a design to, asking them to figure out where to get info on where to find the materials?KrytenKoro (talk) 14:21, 5 May 2016 (PDT)
I'm also interested in replacing the "Keyblade" list with a color-coordinated fill in box, seven columns in total. Similar to Zelda Wiki's Item Cards page, but with colors matched to the Keyblades.KrytenKoro (talk) 14:23, 5 May 2016 (PDT)


Kupo[edit]

Kupo materials drop like Mythril materials. Should we list them in that section?KrytenKoro (talk) 19:57, 19 September 2016 (PDT)

keyblade layouts[edit]

I tried to tidy it up a bit, but I feel a big problem is that organizing it in the table like this is very hard to read.KrytenKoro (talk) 11:06, 3 April 2017 (PDT)

I think we should figure out a way to make it look organized. I added it because I personally got sick of always clicking through every single keyblade for setups and I think having the corresponding slots on this site might help get an better glance over all keyblades at once without being too detailed. However, I think having the previous upper row be the type and the lower row Upright/reversed is easier to read than just having all of them in a straight line like they are now. Maybe adding some more padding between rows help to make it easier to read while reverting to the previous style. --Roberty (talk) 12:59, 3 April 2017 (PDT)
I've gotta disagree strongly on that. Having them in separate rows, I can't even barely match PSM to UR nodes, much less to the Keyblade in question. My eyes just glaze out, and I've been doing tables for wikis for most of my editing career. Putting them side by side, I can at least pair them visually, while also being able to compare PSM nodes from Keyblade to Keyblade.
Maybe thicker borders or spacing would help more clearly visually isolate these.KrytenKoro (talk) 09:56, 5 April 2017 (PDT)
Yes, I think that's what might be the best compromise. Thick lines between keyblades, and thinner lines in the row itself. Maybe instead of showing the Upright/Reversed symbol, we simply color in the background of the box? --Roberty (talk) 21:11, 8 April 2017 (PDT)
Also, in defense of my appraoch of having them above each other, every keyblade site has the same layout and it looks perfectly fine there and is much easier to read at a glance. --Roberty (talk) 14:01, 9 April 2017 (PDT)
You don't need to defend your approach. You're not "in trouble" or anything. I'm just pointing out that at least (1) person, and probably more, can't get any usable visual information out of it.KrytenKoro (talk) 08:56, 10 April 2017 (PDT)
Haha, that was a bad choice of word of mine, I'm sorry. But you get what I mean. Anyways, perhaps some more input from outside sources can help. We can leave it like this for now. :) Roberty (talk) 12:10, 13 April 2017 (PDT)

Friend medal multipliers[edit]

https://www.reddit.com/r/KingdomHearts/comments/7nwub2/khux_divine_rose_stats_update/ds6r5qp/

Material drops spreadsheet[edit]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11BEklwQ-RUsHQ9HGPwDWnP2vilMn3WpEGwTWArCmPb0/edit?usp=sharing

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