- How is the split party working out for you guys, btw? We're wishing you all the best of luck, and we hope the new arrangement has less friction for y'all.KrytenKoro (talk) 11:24, 26 January 2017 (PST)
"How is the split party working out for you guys, btw?"
- The three of us (Ace, myself, & Thomas) are managing fine in KHWV Division B, thanx.
Yes, three; everyone else who Chaineh sent invites to, didn't get to accept them within the 3-day time-frame.
A few of us are bitter with the way the splintering was so unceremoniously handled.
Some took it worse than others. ↓
Ignis:
You guys. -.-
I actually thought I got kicked out for a few minutes there....
Okay....you know what, nevermind.
1-I was inactive my 4$$
2-there's a pretty big storm going on right now....
Ever thunked that just MAYBE I got disconnected for a while....?
I'm leaving. Feel free to send me an invite back.
To the MAIN party
- He has since joined another party, as Ace informed me.
And I personally thought it was handled abruptly, rudely, & poorly, as these accusations were insulting: ↓
Chaineh:
Welcome to KHWV Oblivion!
You're here because:
1) You didn't pay attention to the chat.
2) You were REALLY inactive
So we decided to split you to this party instead of just kicking u
Best of luck!
Party Caption: To Oblivion
1.) That's just plain not true. I was very vocal in chat & stated that I read everything.
2.) That's also untrue, especially in regards to my overall party participation.
I simply didn't get to log in the weekend we were splintered because I go to church on Saturdays (which I didn't get to mention to you guys), so I don't log in 'til sunset;
and my sister & nephew visited on Sunday, so I couldn't log in, with my 3yr old nephew wanting me to always play with him.
Having the party caption of "To Oblivion" & naming us "Oblivion" was just pouring salt on an open wound/adding insult to injury.
The members who dropped us didn't even bother to wait for us to read & reply to/acknowledge the decision of being splintered, and just splintered us immediately, when s/he could've at least waited 'til Monday.
Not even an, "Okay, guys; we decided to proceed with splintering you to a separate group, in order to refine the main group's party performance", though I wouldn't know since we got dropped instantly.
I was completely fine with being splintered, but not even waiting for us to at least say, 'Okay, I understand.' was just infuriating.
The utter lack of actual communication is staggering, especially for someone who wants more communication, via a 3rd party chat app.
(I mean, what's there to even communicate during a raid boss fight, that can't be planned/communicated before/between raids?)
I wish Shadow had handled our splintering instead.
"We're wishing you all the best of luck, and we hope the new arrangement has less friction for y'all."
- Thanks, but I believe you & Shadow are the only ones who actually feel that way (remotely sincerely). Especially since we were so unceremoniously splintered.
You know, we didn't even have this problem before we absorbed that other, more competitive party. And then they come in & act like they own the place. Smh Whatever, it's too late to reverse things now.
- And I wish Shadow & you the best of luck in/with KHWV Prime.
~ Xeranis Azourael
- He's Kvasir, actually. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 09:30, 1 February 2017 (PST)
- Actually, the main reason you and a few others were split is that you didn't want to use Messenger. I personally didn't know what message was left behind for you, but I can see that it is confusing to the active players, and having a caption of "To Oblivion" may indeed seem a little rude (although the Oblivion is an awesome Keyblade). TheSilentHero 09:39, 1 February 2017 (PST)
- @Ace/R3: Who's Kvasir?
~ Xeranis Azourael
- @TSH: Exactly. So why wasn't that reason stated instead of the two reasons that were actually stated?
~ Xeranis Azourael
- The guy who you assumed was Shadow is Kvasir. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 10:07, 1 February 2017 (PST)
- @Ace/R3: Ohh, thank you. I'll be adjusting my message accordingly.
~ Xeranis Azourael
- You're welcome. I agree though, a two days notice would've DEFINITELY been appreciated. I seriously panicked when I noticed my party was gone. And yes, waiting until Monday's Ranking would have been INFINITELY preferred. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 10:33, 1 February 2017 (PST)
- Oh, and the other players who didn't respond within three days, I wrote down their ID numbers. I just haven't gotten around to sending out new invites. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 10:36, 1 February 2017 (PST)
- @Ace/R3: Oh awesome! =D Hopefully, they can respond once you resend their invites. And, no rush! =)
~ Xeranis Azourael
- Thanks. Also, you should redirect part of this to Chainoffire, since he was the one who started our team, named us and wrote that caption, and left that first message. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 10:58, 1 February 2017 (PST)
- @Ace/R3: Ohh, so it wasn't Kvasir. Ohk, thank you! Who's ChainOfFire in the party, then?
~ Xeranis Azourael
- Chaineh. Also: [1]. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 11:25, 1 February 2017 (PST)
- @Ace/R3: Ohh..(*facepalm*)..Of course. Thank you. || Ahh, I see. So then, who's Shadow on this wiki?
~ Xeranis Azourael
- THAT I don't know. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 12:18, 1 February 2017 (PST)
- Okay, gonna address this a few points at a time, and clear up some misconceptions.
- The splintering was handled with a three-week leadup, with clearly stated requests from the rest of the party. It was not abrupt or uncommunicated in any way.
- The name "Oblivion" was chosen because Oathkeeper and Oblivion are the two main Keyblades. It had no other meaning besides being a Kingdom Hearts pair-partner name.
- The split was not about being inactive. As stated multiple times in the chat, the split was because all of the other members agreed that they wanted to be in a party where everyone used Messenger, and those who were split off had stated they didn't want to be in a party where everyone used Messenger. We took y'all at your word.
- As far as who performed the split -- that was the entire rest of the party. Chaineh was asked to be an anchor in order to set up Oblivion, but he did not perform the kicks and in fact had no role in this other than sacrificing the Weekend Raid time for most of that Saturday. The kicks were performed by those remaining in KHWV.
- Communicating during raid boss fights was the exact issue that made the party require Messenger, and we've in fact been clearly communicating why it is necessary since the first Raid Boss event with Queen Bee. The fact that despite that continuous restatement of why communication is necessary problems were still frequently occurring, leading to many party members quitting or informing the core members of intention to quit, is the exact reason the in-game chat was insufficient.
- Disgruntlement with the lack of attention to raid boss requests started long, long before we absorbed the other party. Without naming names, the ones most hurt by the lack of communication were actually in the KHWV party since April. The newcomers were not, in any way, the ones expressing hurt, requesting a solution, or even performing the actual administrative steps of setting up the branched parties.
- So, in light of these:
- If that's what Chaineh exactly stated to you guys was the reason for the split, I'll talk to him. It appears his message was combining the two reasons people were split off that day -- (1) the not wanting to be in a Messenger party, and (2) the normally scheduled purge of anyone inactive for over a week. However, KHWV Oblivion was only set up for those belonging to (1) -- those in (2) were supposed to simply be retired, and renewed if they began playing again (like Rikki). Phrasing it in the way depicted here was inaccurate and unnecessarily hurtful.
- Claiming that, after a week of continuous explanation about when the deadline is, then continuing with reminders two weeks past the deadline, the split was "sudden and abrupt" really feels like the concerns of the party members who wanted to use Messenger were minimized and outright ignored, which really speaks to the problem of why the in-game chat was not sufficient. There was nearly three weeks total dedicated to "how can we get on board with this", "if people aren't getting on board we really need to get the split set up so everyone has time to settle into new parties", "okay this is literally the last possible day we can do this and I have several people screaming at me why are we dragging our feet on this".
- We want you guys to have fun. It was made clear in the in-game chat that y'all didn't, at least at the time, want to be in a party that required use of Messenger -- we accepted that, and we encourage y'all to play the game the way you want to. If y'all decide you are open to using Messenger, we'd love to have you back. But if y'all decide that's something you want, we need y'all to understand that Messenger is important to those currently in KHWV Oathkeeper or whatever we're calling it now. It's not simply something people feel whimsical about -- several members have explicitly stated that they will leave KHWV if it stops using Messenger.
- We've saved a list of every player who's ever been retired/split, so we can give you all those ID numbers if you'd prefer to keep your non-Messenger party. Again, we wish all of you the best of luck with the game, and we hope you can play the way you want to, whether that's with the other wiki players or not.KrytenKoro (talk) 10:43, 2 February 2017 (PST)
- Hmm, with that explanation, I don't feel so bad anymore. Still though, I feel I must point out that the in-game chat can't take the whole blame. It's there to be used. If people won't even try to use it to communicate, then they have to take SOME responsibility. Even if it's just a measly, inconsequential 1% of responsibility. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 11:24, 2 February 2017 (PST)
- Absolutely.KrytenKoro (talk) 12:15, 2 February 2017 (PST)
@ KrytenKoro/Kvasir:
I appreciate the time & effort being put into this matter.
* As far as who performed the split -- that was the entire rest of the party. Chaineh was asked to be an anchor in order to set up Oblivion, but he did not perform the kicks and in fact had no role in this other than sacrificing the Weekend Raid time for most of that Saturday. The kicks were performed by those remaining in KHWV.
* Disgruntlement with the lack of attention to raid boss requests started long, long before we absorbed the other party.
Without naming names, the ones most hurt by the lack of communication were actually in the KHWV party since April.
The newcomers were not, in any way, the ones expressing hurt, requesting a solution, or even performing the actual administrative steps of setting up the branched parties.
- Okay; thank you for clarifying my misconceptions on those two matters.
And my sincerest apologies to Chaineh, in that specific regard. I have since revised my original message above.
* The split was not about being inactive.
As stated multiple times in the chat, the split was because all of the other members agreed that they wanted to be in a party where everyone used Messenger,
and those who were split off had stated they didn't want to be in a party where everyone used Messenger.
We took y'all at your word.
- Correct. But that was not reflected/communicated in the Reasons For Being Splintered, in the parting message, in our splintered party's in-game chat. Which was our issue (with Chaineh).
* The splintering was handled with a three-week leadup, with clearly stated requests from the rest of the party. It was not abrupt or uncommunicated in any way.
- If there were "clearly stated requests", they must've been made on the FB Messenger app, as I did not see them on the in-game chat system.
Which is why I said it was abrupt, as no finalized decision was relayed on the in-game chat system, before dropping us. Only musings/a discussion on the matter.
(And if there was, those who dropped us didn't wait for us to respond, to give confirmation that we've read/acknowledge the decision that's been made.)
I go into further depth on the matter, below.
* The name "Oblivion" was chosen because Oathkeeper and Oblivion are the two main Keyblades. It had no other meaning besides being a Kingdom Hearts pair-partner name.
- If that was the intent, then it was not communicated in the in-game chat system, nor the departing message that was left for our splintered party.
And taken in context with the party caption (along with KHWV Prime's lack of "Oathkeeper" in your party title), there was no other way to take it than as an insult.
* Communicating during raid boss fights was the exact issue that made the party require Messenger, and we've in fact been clearly communicating why it is necessary since the first Raid Boss event with Queen Bee. The fact that despite that continuous restatement of why communication is necessary problems were still frequently occurring, leading to many party members quitting or informing the core members of intention to quit, is the exact reason the in-game chat was insufficient.
- (My stance on this matter remains the same. I followed raid boss instructions once they were explicitly stated & was not the one who disregarded them.)
* If that's what Chaineh exactly stated to you guys was the reason for the split, I'll talk to him.
It appears his message was combining the two reasons people were split off that day -- (1) the not wanting to be in a Messenger party, and (2) the normally scheduled purge of anyone inactive for over a week.
However, KHWV Oblivion was only set up for those belonging to (1) -- those in (2) were supposed to simply be retired, and renewed if they began playing again (like Rikki).
Phrasing it in the way depicted here was inaccurate and unnecessarily hurtful.
- That's exactly what was stated in the parting message of our splintered party's in-game chat.
I made sure to type it verbatim, as you can see that grammatical errors are still present. Otherwise, corrections would've been made.
* Claiming that, after a week of continuous explanation about when the deadline is, then continuing with reminders two weeks past the deadline, the split was "sudden and abrupt" really feels like the concerns of the party members who wanted to use Messenger were minimized and outright ignored, which really speaks to the problem of why the in-game chat was not sufficient.
There was nearly three weeks total dedicated to "how can we get on board with this", "if people aren't getting on board we really need to get the split set up so everyone has time to settle into new parties", "okay this is literally the last possible day we can do this and I have several people screaming at me why are we dragging our feet on this".
- All of that must've been voiced on the FB Messenger app, as I saw no such words on the in-game chat system.
All I saw was a discussion on the matter, in a tone of brain-storming, rather than following-up & finalizing a decision, as you've quoted here.
I was waiting the entire time for a finalized decision, and all I read on the matter was Shadow's response to my idea of splitting the parties, which was: "That's a fair solution."
I saw no other input on the matter after Shadow's & I had been waiting on a decision between Shadow's response & when we suddenly got dropped.
To be clear, I had & have no problem being split to a separate party, especially since it was my idea in the first place. Our problem was with the way our splintering was handled, especially post-split (with Chaineh's message).
* We want you guys to have fun.
It was made clear in the in-game chat that y'all didn't, at least at the time, want to be in a party that required use of Messenger -- we accepted that, and we encourage y'all to play the game the way you want to.
If y'all decide you are open to using Messenger, we'd love to have you back. But if y'all decide that's something you want, we need y'all to understand that Messenger is important to those currently in KHWV Oathkeeper or whatever we're calling it now.
It's not simply something people feel whimsical about -- several members have explicitly stated that they will leave KHWV if it stops using Messenger.
- Acknowledged; thank you. Our stance on FB Messenger remains the same. And we have no qualms with separate parties; only in how the splintering was handled.
* We've saved a list of every player who's ever been retired/split, so we can give you all those ID numbers if you'd prefer to keep your non-Messenger party.
Again, we wish all of you the best of luck with the game, and we hope you can play the way you want to, whether that's with the other wiki players or not.
- That would be very much appreciated, thank you.
And I wish you & Shadow the best of luck with the game in KHWV Prime.
Thank you again for your time & effort on this matter.
~ Xeranis Azourael
- All of that must've been voiced on the FB Messenger app, as I saw no such words on the in-game chat system.
- There was a notice about a meeting on IRC to discuss which apps could be used in lieu of Messenger, after stating that it was a critical issue and that an alternative needed to be chosen in the meeting or the parties would be split. To my knowledge, no one showed up. In any case -- there's an open invitation to any of you guys that are willing to join Messenger, best luck to you.KrytenKoro (talk) 08:09, 8 February 2017 (PST)
- Yeah, I asked for & was waiting for information on how to access the IRC chat, but no one gave the information for it, so I didn't know where to go to join in on the meeting.
I did state on the in-game chat that I was open to using Yahoo! Messenger, Trillian Messenger, or the IRC chat itself (especially since it apparently already exists), in lieu of the FB Messenger, but no one said anything about it.
(So I figured everyone else preferred FB Messenger over any other alternative. =/ )
~ Xeranis Azourael
- I apologize that no one gave you the information on how to join the IRC chat. It sounds like your voice got lost against those who were being openly dismissive of the party's concerns, and for that I apologize.KrytenKoro (talk) 11:35, 15 February 2017 (PST)
Category links 
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To make a link to a category, you have to put : in front of Category, so [[:Category:Medals]]. TheSilentHero 15:52, 10 June 2017 (PDT)
- Ahh, thank you very much, TSH! (^_^)
~ Xeranis Azourael 11:50, 11 June 2017 (PDT)
Medal Storage List 
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Wow! I just looked at your storage list and, may I say, it's incredible!
Would you mind if I started a list of my own medals using your set-up? Did you make a template?
Marisol (talk) 12:52, 16 August 2017 (PDT)
- Thank you so much! That's so generous of you. (^_^)
- Not at all! Go for it!
- No, I used the existing Medal List template that others on here use;
- I merely added tabs to them, to better organize them, so they're more easily navigable & my medals are easier to find,
- not just for myself, but for my fellow party members looking for a particular assist medal they might need.
- Feel free to copy & paste the template from my Medal List page onto yours. And if you want help with any of it, feel free to let me know! (^_^)
- I have so many tabs/filters for my medals, that it isn't difficult to imagine that going through all of them would become such a tedious task for others, more so. '(>_<)
~ Xeranis Azourael 09:35, 17 August 2017 (PDT)
- Cool! I've got some free time coming up next week, so I'll probably get started then.
- And since I'm not hugely familiar with all of the formatting, I'm sure that I'll mess it up at some point and come asking for help. XD
- Marisol (talk) 15:20, 17 August 2017 (PDT)
- Alrighty!
- XD I've actually put a mini 'formatting tutorial' at the top of my Medal List page (when in Edit mode) as a self-reminder,
- for when I forget what info goes in which column, so that should help you out! But I'm definitely willing to help, regardless. (^_^)
~ Xeranis Azourael 15:35, 17 August 2017 (PDT)
Points vs. Nodes[edit]
I just checked the game again to be sure, but they are called "Points". Where exactly did you see that they were called Nodes? Also, maybe you could start a talk page discussion before changing something like that, because changing the template's code can cause other pages to not show up correctly. TheSilentHero 07:59, 19 March 2018 (PDT)
VIP Broom banner[edit]
I noticed you added a note that says it's still showing the one with dates, but it's showing the one without dates for me. Have you tried doing a hard refresh? That sometimes works when a new version of an image is uploaded. TheSilentHero 09:36, 18 June 2018 (PDT)
- I did an "?action=purge" on both the template's page & the main page, and it's still displaying the old banner for me. Are there anything else I can do to force the new image to appear?
~ Xeranis Azourael 06:30, 20 June 2018 (PDT)
- UPDATE: I hadn't thought to do an "?action=purge" on the actual image's file page until just now, and that seems to have done the job.
~ Xeranis Azourael 06:54, 20 June 2018 (PDT)
Hades Cup #3[edit]
Just wondering, wouldn't it be more accurate to add the Paradox quests to cup 3 instead of making a new section (current events banner links to cup 4)?
The original quests are available under the new banner and the event still ends on the 7th.
Feel free to explain your reasoning as I'm new here. -- ⚡Ruko⚡ (talk) 22:27, 1 October 2018 (PDT)
- Never mind, event's over. But the banner image name still bugs me (eventually there will be a cup 4, I assume), so I'm moving it. -- ⚡Ruko⚡ (talk) 22:35, 17 October 2018 (PDT)
- (Apologies for the late reply; been busier than usual since the month started.)
Did what I did partly as a quick copy-&-paste and partly because the new set could only be accessible after first completing the existing quests
(which were added after the initial set, which made it unclear if the new set was just an extension of the existing set, or simply another cup being introduced back-to-back);
and I never completed the initial set, so erred on the side of caution & didn't assume that the same quests would be used, and that an entirely new set would appear, with tougher content -
so wouldn't make sense to link to the same initial set of quests - the 2nd/newer set would at least have to be a sub-section of the initial cup (if not its own new section), for posterity/clarity. I'm not a data-miner/code-diver either, so I've no way of confirming, outside of having completed the initial set in-game. The other contributors would have to confirm it. And I'm sure the other contributors will organize it accordingly to their established protocol/preferences/format/syntax.
(I've no way of knowing for sure cause they don't exactly inform me beforehand of how they want certain things to be done, and prefer instead to just swat down my edits if they're not up to spec, as if I intentionally post things incorrectly.. {9_9} {⌐_⌐}..)
Hope that at least clarifies what my thought process was (even though it's moot now). Let me know if you have any other inquiries. And welcome to the wiki, btw! (^_^)
~ Xeranis Azourael 13:17, 21 October 2018 (PDT)
Re:Party Name Hand-off[edit]
I discussed this with the party and if you're taking everyone with you, you can just disband the party. We don't really have anyone to send to take it over, and we wouldn't want some strangers using the wiki's name. TheSilentHero 03:11, 10 February 2019 (PST)
- Aah, alrighty; will do. Thank you!
(I'm just concerned that, once I disband the party, another party might adopt our name & claim to be our successor, and essentially be an impostor party, when they haven't been properly sanctioned by you guys.
In any case, I'm sure you guys will figure things out.)
I'll begin updating the site (i.e. Main Page, Medal Storage, et c.), to reflect our transition of disbanding & forming a new party, over the next few days, and should have things mostly figured out (game/party side) & finalized (wiki side) by the end of the week.
Cheers.
~ Xeranis Azourael 18:21, 11 February 2019 (PST)
Medal Storage[edit]
I fixed the issue with the Cost. The Node-count limit exceeded error is a result of having too much code on one page. Basically, you're using so many instances of the same template, that it creates too much code for the page to load. I'm afraid the only solution is to reduce the number of templates on your page. TheSilentHero 00:24, 17 April 2019 (PDT)
- On second thought, considering the changes to the template caused the code overload, I might be able to make a "lite" version of the template. By removing some of the features, it would use less code. TheSilentHero 03:56, 17 April 2019 (PDT)
Keyblade Level 50 stats[edit]
Hi,
I changed all pages back to the version before you added the level 50 stats. The information from Roboloid is correct but without the right special attack gauge number it's incomplete and even wrong. It's okay to leave it as comment (I got overzealous on the Fairy Star page) or on the dicussion page but we try not to post incorrect information since that's usually something that is overlooked for a long time. You can find all passives on his page or here on the passive page though.
It was announced that in the near future we'll be able to buy materials with munny in KHUX, so I'll guess that's the time we will complete these tables once and for all.
Also in case you didn't figure it out yet (I'm sure you have), the ir and sar parameters are added with the levels where they are changed. When the template was created the max level was 40 I think, so it was more clear. --ShardofTruth (talk) 23:02, 7 August 2020 (PDT)
- Hello.
• Okay, but why weren't the Lvl 50 Slot multipliers for Starlight, Moogle O Glory, Stroke of Midnight, & Fairy Stars simply hidden (& used as a reference), just like what was done with the other five Keyblades (Treasure Trove, Lady Luck, Three Wishes, Olympia, & Divine Rose), instead of being completely reverted?
"Overzealous on the Fairy Star page"?
• I don't see anything. Did you mean the Revision Summary of the Moogle O Glory's History page?
• Aahh, the Passives page; thank you. I didn't see any main-use page, or navigation, lead/link to it, so I completely blanked on the fact that it exists.
~ Xeranis Azourael [09:58, 21 August 2020 (PDT) ]
What's your problem?[edit]
Okay dude, seriously. What's your problem? You've been posting these passive-aggressive messages about me. Somehow you're thinking everything I do is to bother you, which clearly isn't. So what is your problem with me? TheSilentHero 10:03, 24 August 2020 (PDT)
- (Aahh, finally, he takes it to the Discussion page; I thought I was gonna have to initiate this, if you had persisted any further.)
I should be asking you that; you're the one who started this passive-aggressive back-&-forth a while back; I'm merely responding in kind now cause frankly, I've lost tolerance for it. And I figured, if you wanted to start something, then I have no qualms with taking on this conflict head-on. And if it was such a "clear" thing, then we wouldn't be doing this right now; you would've headed directly to my Discussion page from the get-go, in the spirit of clarifying things (like Shard did, for example), instead of leaving passive-aggressive Summary notes when saving changes.
At first, I had my doubts; then, I just let your passive-aggressiveness roll off of me, but you just kept at it. And now you're gas-lighting me - the same textbook tactic that a narcissist with no solid argument would use. Now here we are. So what's your problem, really?
(I already explained myself in the Status section on my User page; and I know you keep a keen eye on my revision activity, with how often you like to swat them down, so there's no way you didn't view it - you like to check everything. If you didn't, you wouldn't be hounding my revisions above the revisions of others; everyone {non-staffers} would be equally hounded by you. And don't you dare deny it; I have evidence backing me up, with the wiki's History records/our Contribs. keeping track of things for me.)
(Also, I don't have direct access to those assets/images. If I did, then we wouldn't be having this interaction. You've known this; I already stated this a long time ago; you're acting as if you've forgotten this. And like I said above, I've already explained myself on my User page.)
~ Xeranis Azourael [11:49, 24 August 2020 (PDT) ]
- If I wasn't so annoyed with you, It would be kind of funny since I felt the same way. I was waiting for you to bring it to a talk page, I was ignoring your passive-agressiveness, until I just couldn't take it anymore. You claim I started this, but I have honestly no idea when. But if I did, why didn't you ask me something like this on my talk page, instead of holding a major grudge?
- And yes, I am checking your edits. I'm checking everyone's edits. And if I don't think they're good enough, I edit them. That's how wiki's work, especially when you're an admin. And I have to say I find it incredibly rude that you talk badly about someone on your userpage.
- As for those images, there's a site that displays the most recent notices. There's a link to that site on the main page. And I'm honestly not going to remember everything you once said to me. TheSilentHero 12:49, 24 August 2020 (PDT)
